Robots for People: How Robust AI Redefines Human-Centered Automation
The journey of technology is fundamentally a human story. This is never clearer than when discussing robotics, where technical complexity must ultimately yield to a simple, intuitive user experience. Reaching our 100th episode milestone, The Machine Minds Show was honored to interview a leader whose career embodies this philosophy: Anthony Jules, Co-founder and CEO of Robust AI.
The Machine Minds 100th Episode Special: Core Focus of Human-Robot Interaction
On Episode 100 of The Machine Minds Show, host Greg Toroosian, founder of Samson Rose, meets Anthony Jules of Robust AI. They discuss the phases of James’s career, the technical breakthroughs powering Robust AI’s collaborative mobile robots, and the non-negotiable role that human-centered design plays in driving industrial adoption.
Defining Robust AI
In the field of technology, Robust AI is an academic term describing systems that maintain their performance, safety, and reliability even when confronted with unexpected or ambiguous inputs in dynamic, real-world conditions. It is the opposite of "brittle" AI, which fails upon encountering something outside its specific training set.
For Anthony and his company, Robust AI, the term is a mission statement. It means building robots that are inherently reliable and predictable in chaotic, unmodified environments, such as warehouses and manufacturing floors.
Anthony’s vision of robustness centers on two core pillars:
Reliability in the Chaos: The system must not stop or fail when a box is moved, a new person walks by, or the lighting changes. It must be resilient to the daily reality of human-operated environments.
Human-Centric Predictability: The robot’s behavior must be predictable and safe for its human colleagues, fostering trust and enabling true human-robot collaboration rather than acting as a confusing obstacle.
The Origin and Mission: The Builder's Ethos
During their discussion, Anthony said that he describes himself simply as a builder, his drive so innate that when he is not working, his idea of fun is often designing a parametric 3D model and printing it.
Anthony’s three-decade career has focused on creating both physical products and companies at the critical intersection of technology and human behavior. This philosophy is balanced by a surprising habit for a robotics CEO: he has maintained a consistent meditation practice for over 15 years, a "mind space that is most different than how I spend the rest of my day, which of course is building machines."
His early interest in robotics, stemming from his days programming at 11 and studying AI at MIT, was always focused on building machines to perform the "dull, dirty, dangerous" work. This goal matured into two pivotal lessons that would shape the foundation of Robust AI:
Modern AI is Magical, but Requires Nuance: The latest AI capabilities are beyond what we once guessed, but applying them effectively demands nuance to extract real value.
User Experience Drives Adoption: People vote with their feet and their wallets. Flawless user experience and cost competitiveness are the true engines of adoption, not just raw technical capability.
The Co-Founding Story
Anthony teamed up with robotics legend and iRobot co-founder Rodney Brooks after 30 years of knowing each other and previously attempting to work together. The alignment was instantaneous, rooted in a shared perspective on what is hard and what is easy in robotics, and the belief that human factors matter more than the raw technology for successful adoption.
Enthusiastically, Anthony described the founding moment: he offered to share his thinking about robotics, which Rodney originally referred to as a "video game engine but for robots," and by the end of that day, they had agreed to found the company.
Pillar 1: Robust AI and The Carter Design Philosophy
Robust AI specializes in building collaborative autonomous mobile robots (AMRs) designed for real-world environments like warehouses and manufacturing facilities that do not need to be modified for deployment.
Their flagship product is Carter, an AMR designed to resemble a cart, handling picking, sorting, and transportation in a human-centric manner.
The technical difference is stark: Carter is a fully AI-driven, fourth-generation robot that uses only eight cameras without Light Detection and Ranging (LiDAR). This vision-only approach utilizes advanced algorithms like Visual Simultaneous Localization and Mapping (V-SLAM) and neural networks to understand the world semantically, so it knows the difference between a person, a box, and a pallet.
Designed for Agency and Flow
A core design tenet is human agency. Recognizing that workers must retain control, Carter is designed to be pushed, redirected, and interacted with naturally. This means users do not need complex commands to engage with the system.
Effortless Prioritization: The robot uses handlebar sensors that, when grabbed, make the full mass (up to 350 pounds loaded) disappear, allowing a user to move it effortlessly with a feather touch. This physical act is immediately fed back into the system to signal a change in priority. This focus on agency was the "aha moment" that drove the product's entire design: the realization that the initial business opportunity would fail for human factors reasons if people did not have agency.
Cognitive Load Reduction: Carter is a single platform with multiple functions. Its software-addressable LED lights can turn on to show a person exactly where to put or take an item, creating a dynamic sort wall or picking aid. The robot had so successfully reduced a floor associate's cognitive load that moving faster felt like less work, driving a massive increase in throughput.
This human-first approach is what drove the stunning results in a recent deployment with DHL, where the system delivered a more than 60% productivity increase in week one. The company is focused on logistics and manufacturing, serving operations where people need to be part of the solution and where traditional automation struggles.
Pillar 2: The Imperative of Human-Robot Interaction (HRI)
Anthony maintains that the design philosophy is broader than just safety; it is designed around real human behavior and the social science behind Human Robot Interaction (HRI).
The Empowerment Philosophy: Robust AI strictly adheres to the philosophy that people should not have to change their work to accommodate the robot. This aligns with in-depth research showing that a "good day" for a floor associate is rooted in the desire to be productive and feel a sense of satisfaction. By delivering tools that align with these goals, the robot becomes a partner, fostering a sense of investment from the company in its people, which aids in employee retention.
Intent Management: Anthony clarifies that robots may not "truly understand human intent" with deep fidelity, but by combining smart visual models with context, they can achieve a smooth user experience. The smooth interaction comes from responding to simple physical cues and giving appropriate visual cues through the display and lights, making the interaction intuitive.
Misconceptions That Need to Die
Moreover, Anthony asserts that two major myths hold back the industry:
That Robotics Are Designed to Replace People: The biggest misconception is the belief that all robotics are designed to eliminate the workforce. The actual goal, even VPs of Automation ultimately believe, is to augment human work and reduce physical strain.
That More Sensors Equal Better Robots: Anthony dispels the belief that technical complexity is the path to better solutions. He believes a small number of well-understood sensors combined with smart code yields superior solutions.
Signals and Strategy for High-Performance Teams
In a field as multidisciplinary as robotics, Anthony’s hiring strategy is laser-focused on potential and cultural fit, recognizing that the challenge of change management is often harder than the underlying technology itself.
Priorities in Talent Acquisition
Robotics is inherently multi-disciplinary. Anthony calls it "the most multidisciplinary thing I am aware of" as it requires a team that can work seamlessly across domains, from low-level hardware to end-user experience. He details the necessary breadth:
Software Stack: This requires three distinct "brands" of engineers to cover the full stack from the robot up to the cloud. These include embedded programmers, roboticists, and raw software engineers.
Hardware Stack: This group consists of mechanical engineers, mechatronics engineers, and electrical engineers.
Product Stack: This requires expertise in product management and user experience (UX) to ensure the resulting machine is appropriate and intuitive for human workers.
Beyond specific skills, a strong unifying theme across successful hires is a deep desire to build useful robots that will have a positive impact on the real world.
The Hardest-to-Hire Roles
Anthony identifies a talent deficit in two specific areas:
Embedded Edge AI Programmers: These are the people comfortable getting all the way down to the metal to write high-performance, safety-compliant code on edge devices (like the Nvidia systems used in their AMRs).
Performance-Focused Metal Programmers: Programmers who truly understand what is happening within a CPU and memory for the code they have written are becoming very rare. This is a skill gap created by the trend of most coding moving to high-level web and cloud coding that abstracts away the underlying hardware performance.
Actionable Advice: Leadership and Culture
Anthony's advice to other founders revolves around intentional culture building from the moment they hire their very first person:
Prioritize Team Performance over Individual Skill: Founders should be willing to accept a small technical hit for the right cultural fit, as this leads to a better team accelerator.
Be Intentional from Day One: Co-founders must write down the culture they want and then hire to counteract their own weaknesses to achieve balance (e.g., an introspective founder should hire a lieutenant with a bias for action).
The Hardest Leadership Lesson: The most critical lesson in leadership is the difficult concept that "If you are loyal to one, you are loyal to none." This is not a statement about personal relationships, but a challenging truth about the CEO's ultimate fiduciary duty: a leader's primary loyalty must be to the collective mission and the overall health of the organization. Avoiding an uncomfortable decision out of loyalty to one individual is ultimately a betrayal of the greater group, as it prioritizes a single relationship over the long-term success and integrity of the company.
The Next Step for Technology Professionals
Looking ahead, Anthony believes that within the next decade, human-robot collaboration will dominate how people interact with automation across all industries. He sees this shift as the "flip phone to smartphone" moment for robotics, driven by more general-purpose systems and better, more consistent user experiences. The limiting factor will always be people’s ability to change, so designing for minimal friction is the only path to widespread adoption.
In a final rapid-fire segment, Anthony shared his focus on two emerging robotics markets: drones and underwater submersible robots (which will eventually allow us to explore 70% of the planet currently inaccessible). He also mentioned that his favorite robot from pop culture that "gets it mostly right" is TARS from Interstellar, which is a giant, shiny block of metal that can intelligently turn into whatever it needs to be.
His closing message, much like the entire ethos of Robust AI, is a call for practitioners and leaders to understand that the robot itself does not matter; the customer's successful outcome does.
Explore the Innovation Driving Human-Centered Robotics
Listen to the full conversation on Apple Podcasts here: Episode 100 | Robots Built for People | Anthony Jules. Hear the nuances of the discussion and the full context of Anthony Jules's philosophy on human-centered automation. This is a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of the human-machine interface.
Learn more about Robust AI's strategy and solutions via the Robust AI website. Discover how their vision-only AMRs are delivering real-world productivity increases in logistics and manufacturing. Check out their technology and mission to build robots that work alongside people.
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